The 5 man Guild.. And how to stop it. - Guild Wars Forums

Red Stromhawk · Apr 10, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

Oie

Ever noticed how there are always so many tiny guilds that have 5 random people? Honestly, I personlly think the price to create a guild should be bumped up to about 20P (Ya, you heard me) and as you create your guild, your cape comes free with it.

This would cut down on the spamming in the local for other things (like selling, don't get me started on that).. Sure,sure, It seems like I'm just being a bum hole. But honestly, these people who sit there,spammin away, tends to get a tad annoying (Yes, I know you can block local, but sometimes there is a tidbit that I am interested in)

Ultimate Flash · Apr 10, 2007, 02:31 PM // 14:31

You know you can always ignore the individual spamming.

Lord Feathers · Apr 10, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55

I'd rather be in a small guild then a large one filled with knuckleheads just to have a large membership. Hell I can get that free in-game it's called a PUG ! Your problem really doesn't seem to be the small guilds either but the constant spamming any way. How many deciet people do you actually think are going to join a guild when someone is spamming " PLZ join my guild, first 6 are officers ? " Yeah I'll jump right on that, LOL

Grubcat · Apr 10, 2007, 03:06 PM // 15:06

As a member of a small guild with about 5 active people right now, I don't have a problem with it at all! We lost half our membership a few months ago, due to differences in available playing times mostly, and now have people who play evenings and late nights. Yes, we wish we had a few more members, but we don't recruit publicly, so who are we bothering?

I agree with the other comments, your problem seems to be with the local chat spam, not small guilds.

Red Stromhawk · Apr 10, 2007, 03:57 PM // 15:57

:-P Right, spamming is a problem, but the small 5 man guilds hurt the playablity of GW, for example, let's say Team A wants to GvsG, and team 2 wants to GvsG,but they don't want to join because "They already have friends in the other guild" or some excuse, or they like thier name or somethin like that. I'v met so many "guilds" with 2-3 people who play every night but can't find more then 10 people to join their guild. I just wish Guilds where more serious,I guess you could say..

Sofonisba · Apr 10, 2007, 04:42 PM // 16:42

There is no reason to discourage the creation of guilds. It???s so individual. If these people in tiny guilds couldn???t be in tiny guilds, do you think they would seek out a HUGE guild? No, they???d probably end up solitary players. That doesn???t help with the other part of your argument, which is ??? you???re having a hard time filling your roster for GvG? Maybe I misunderstand.

Star Gazer · Apr 10, 2007, 05:00 PM // 17:00

no, i think a guild should stay the same cost. however, i do think that you need to contact ANet, submit an application, and answer a questionaire about the game. This would eliminate people coming from pre-sear saying OMGZIKENCRE8MY0WNGULLD!

Well99 · Apr 10, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Why should you contact anet?I have a 1 man guild and I dont spam anyone because it will stay a 1 man guild.I have storage in my GH and I am a happy little camper.
As far as spamming news flash big guilds do the same.Or play invite tag.I get invites from guilds I havent even talk to.A reason I bought a guild.Now no one bothers me.
Consider this everyone doesnt GVG or want to.I have left guilds because some yutt told me to get my a@@ to the GH to GVG.I am strickly PVE and others are the same.Not having GVG in no way hurts playability of the game.

Red Stromhawk · Apr 11, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

First off, I have no problem with PvsE, second, I don't have a problem filling my roster, third, the reason I am sticking with the 20P guild invite (Wavering the cost of invites as well) is not to kill out the PvsE guilds (even the one person ones) or the super tiny ones (Not my objective ether).

I can understand the invites to guilds, people randomly inviting you into the guild. It's a sided issue. I see your points, of leavening how things are. But I just don't see a point of even a one man guild. I have ran GW for the longest time without a guild, not wanting one, doing only PvsE stuff.

But I'v talked to alot of people who quick the game, and it was always the same, they were bored of the PvsE stuff and when they tried to find a guild, it was always small 5-10 man guilds that wanted to do GvsG,but couldn't. And to get that big took them 2-4 months.

Now, that could be my view points, maybe I am abit extremist because it seems I have upset some people by mistake. Savvy?

Sofonisba · Apr 11, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Well, I don't see the point of fff'ing all day long and not having time to play the actual game... but am I going to say, we need to stop these fff'ing guilds? LOL of course not.

I'm still not clear on what your issue is. People want to join a guild to do GvG, but the only ones who invite them, are too small to do it? They just need to find the right one, which takes patience in any case, no matter what you're looking for in a guild.

Mohnzh · Apr 11, 2007, 08:41 PM // 20:41

I don't see the problem with a small guild. And even if there were, upping the guild creation cost would not cut down on spamming or selling invites in the least. It would stay exactly the same, possibly increase because now everyone can afford to invite. I don't see how it affects playability, unless you are in a small guild and don't want to be. In that case, quit the guild and find a bigger guild (which you can do here at GwG or through the chat channels). I big time understand the appeal of being in a 1-man guild. While I was guildless I kept getting spammed with PMs by ppl I had never met inviting me into their guild. If I wanted to sell stuff in a busy district, a lot of my time was spent rejecting guild nvites and trying to explain myself to the ppl inviting. It would be pointless to add everyone to my ignore list, because I may want to sell somthing to them later. So, 1-man guilds are very appealing to the strictly PvE player. If you are not in a 5-man guild, 5-man guilds cannot affect you (unless you are guildless and getting spammed by one). I honestly think I see larger guilds spamming the chat more often than smaller. It's been a while since I've seen the "New guild, first six to accept invites are officers!" spam. Now it's all "X Guild X recruiting! one gubizjillion Kurzick Faction! LF Kurz farmorz! 2 billion faction transfer minimum daily req! PM for invite!" But even that's no biggy. The name of the game is Guild Wars. Don't expect to play without guilds being at the forefront of the chat. If someone were only to see LA they might mistake the game for Merchant Shouting Deathmatch. I don't spam or encourage spamming for any reason. It's tacky and annoying to 95% of the populace. But if something is going to be spammed, guild info is the only thing remotely acceptable.

Blow Up Doll · Apr 11, 2007, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Look at 90% of the top GvG guilds and they are all very small compared to what you seem to be proposing. Ok... they have more than 5 players but usually no more than 10 or 15. My guild is 6 people atm. We are friends who play together. We don't spam recruitment messages because we don't want other people to join. We know everyone else in the guild and are all good players both in PvE and PvP. You're not going to ever stop spamming. Just turn off local. Don't blame another problem on small guilds.

Alex Morningstar · Apr 12, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Having a guild cost 20k just means that richer people will have 5 man guilds. Everyone else will probably either do without or just farm longer to get it. Changing the price tag wont do a whole lot for a problem unrelated to the economy.

Cats · Apr 12, 2007, 02:48 PM // 14:48

The real problem here is spamming, and noobish guild leaders/officers who haven't a clue how to grow, structure and properly organize a guild. All they really want is the honor of being called 'the boss', picking out the hall/cape etc and telling people what to do. Minus all that, do we really get affected by how many members there are in a guild? No, not at all.

Div · Apr 12, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

The 5 man guild is actually a much better guild in general than your typical 70-90 man guild. Most 5 man guilds consist of close friends that know each other really well, compared to the typical large guild that the officers just invite, and most of the people don't spend time getting to know each other. Sure, one might say the large guild is more "stable" because the guild never really disbands, but if you look at one of those guilds, you see about 10 new invites a week and 10 people who get kicked or leave a week as well. Much larger fluctuation, and is in fact less "stable" in terms of member base.

Age · Apr 12, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

I would be all for this as it would stop other who recruit to go out and form thier own guild.I recriut players and they stay for awhile and then they leave to form their own guild.This really annoys me when this happens and i say the price to form a guild should be more thant what it is now.I would point out to those who just want to get online and play say together as friends/family or whatever you are thee is always a thing called the Friends List use that.

We out here are trying to form an organized guild as to what they are meant to be not just to get together for a few hours a a night ot play GW.Guilds are really about putting a team together much like a sports team.That is what I am trying to do and have fun as well as I wouldn't mind getting rated or ranked.I would be all for this up the price use your friends list if you want to stay in touch with a few buddies in RL or you meet in game.

Sofonisba · Apr 13, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by Age

I would be all for this as it would stop other who recruit to go out and form thier own guild.I recriut players and they stay for awhile and then they leave to form their own guild.This really annoys me when this happens and i say the price to form a guild should be more thant what it is now.I would point out to those who just want to get online and play say together as friends/family or whatever you are thee is always a thing called the Friends List use that.

We out here are trying to form an organized guild as to what they are meant to be not just to get together for a few hours a a night ot play GW.Guilds are really about putting a team together much like a sports team.That is what I am trying to do and have fun as well as I wouldn't mind getting rated or ranked.I would be all for this up the price use your friends list if you want to stay in touch with a few buddies in RL or you meet in game.

I respect your position, but I will say it once and say it again. Friends' list and Guild Roster are sooo not equivalent. Unless you physically map to a location together and stay in a team--not always preferable, as everyone may be doing different things--no casual conversation is possible. Ever tried chatting with 3, or even 2 people at once via whisper? Pfft. Makes my eyes hurt, plus all the constant mistells. No, guild chat is the way to go.

Meanwhile, the 3-5 people who want to form a guild so they can chat in guild, if they were subject to high fees so they could not form a guild, and instead used friends' list... how does that help you form your active guild?

The admirable goal you have for your guild, might be a serious business of teambuilding and GvG and hardcore training or whatever it is... but it's not everyone's goal.

It's not hurting anyone that there are small guilds. Let them be.

Grubcat · Apr 13, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

Meanwhile, the 3-5 people who want to form a guild so they can chat in guild, if they were subject to high fees so they could not form a guild, and instead used friends' list... how does that help you form your active guild?

The admirable goal you have for your guild, might be a serious business of teambuilding and GvG and hardcore training or whatever it is... but it's not everyone's goal.

It's not hurting anyone that there are small guilds. Let them be.

QFT
It seems obvious that many, if not most, of the small guilds are PvE guilds. If these people "couldn't" form their small guilds, they are still not going to be helping you with your GvG goals. They will be playing alone.

I understand your frustration with trying to get a group together for GvG, but barring small guilds from existing or making it harder to start one will not make your problem go away. Those people will not join a PvP guild anyway.

EternalTempest · Apr 13, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Guild are a "social" group formed for different reasons.

A group of friends
A group aligned to specific goals (farming, gvg, faction town control)
A group to be completive in a pvp style

Agree with Sofonisba & Grubcat - a pve or non-gvg guild is not going to help or hinder you if they don't do gvg in the 1st place.

Age · Apr 13, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

I respect your position, but I will say it once and say it again. Friends' list and Guild Roster are sooo not equivalent. Unless you physically map to a location together and stay in a team--not always preferable, as everyone may be doing different things--no casual conversation is possible. Ever tried chatting with 3, or even 2 people at once via whisper? Pfft. Makes my eyes hurt, plus all the constant mistells. No, guild chat is the way to go.

Meanwhile, the 3-5 people who want to form a guild so they can chat in guild, if they were subject to high fees so they could not form a guild, and instead used friends' list... how does that help you form your active guild?

The admirable goal you have for your guild, might be a serious business of teambuilding and GvG and hardcore training or whatever it is... but it's not everyone's goal.

It's not hurting anyone that there are small guilds. Let them be.

You could still do this but I guess most of you haven't been a leader who invites and helps others through the game and see this guildie leave only to go off and form their own guild with a friend.I wand to but a stop to this and if that means raising the anty then so be it.You have never been a Leader for over 2 years as my Guild is over 2 years old older than the game itself.You can sure use PM in game I do all the time and meeting buddies in town or a small outpost to talk works.It s so easy if you are in different parts of the game just make meeting place and you don't need a hall either.why buy one if you have no intention of using it.Those big ladder guilds do the same thing as you do farm and even play the game ever see one of those nice Capes that only those on the ladder can get.I have seen those in towns and know their tags.

Anet aswell doesn't listen or support the small guilds only those on the ladder.I may sound harsh but when you have been through what I have with leavers it sickens me things about small 5 man guilds as all it takes is 100g to make one up and 2K for a cape.I have brought in so many into my guild just to see them leave and go and start their own guild so this means I am short.I am a beta Guild as well that should mean something.I would really like to get a rating and maybe ranked.

Apr 10, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17	#1
Red Stromhawk Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canada,Quebec Guild: Warriors Of The Llama Profession: D/Me	The 5 man Guild.. And how to stop it. Oie Ever noticed how there are always so many tiny guilds that have 5 random people? Honestly, I personlly think the price to create a guild should be bumped up to about 20P (Ya, you heard me) and as you create your guild, your cape comes free with it. This would cut down on the spamming in the local for other things (like selling, don't get me started on that).. Sure,sure, It seems like I'm just being a bum hole. But honestly, these people who sit there,spammin away, tends to get a tad annoying (Yes, I know you can block local, but sometimes there is a tidbit that I am interested in)

Apr 10, 2007, 02:31 PM // 14:31	#2
Ultimate Flash Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kansas USA Guild: The Makavelli Lords [TML] Profession: A/	You know you can always ignore the individual spamming.

Apr 10, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55	#3
Lord Feathers Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: ROAR - Rangers of Ascalon Return Profession: R/P	I'd rather be in a small guild then a large one filled with knuckleheads just to have a large membership. Hell I can get that free in-game it's called a PUG ! Your problem really doesn't seem to be the small guilds either but the constant spamming any way. How many deciet people do you actually think are going to join a guild when someone is spamming " PLZ join my guild, first 6 are officers ? " Yeah I'll jump right on that, LOL

Apr 10, 2007, 03:06 PM // 15:06	#4
Grubcat Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Team of Oblivious Targets [TOOT]	As a member of a small guild with about 5 active people right now, I don't have a problem with it at all! We lost half our membership a few months ago, due to differences in available playing times mostly, and now have people who play evenings and late nights. Yes, we wish we had a few more members, but we don't recruit publicly, so who are we bothering? I agree with the other comments, your problem seems to be with the local chat spam, not small guilds.

Apr 10, 2007, 03:57 PM // 15:57	#5
Red Stromhawk Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canada,Quebec Guild: Warriors Of The Llama Profession: D/Me	:-P Right, spamming is a problem, but the small 5 man guilds hurt the playablity of GW, for example, let's say Team A wants to GvsG, and team 2 wants to GvsG,but they don't want to join because "They already have friends in the other guild" or some excuse, or they like thier name or somethin like that. I'v met so many "guilds" with 2-3 people who play every night but can't find more then 10 people to join their guild. I just wish Guilds where more serious,I guess you could say..

Apr 10, 2007, 04:42 PM // 16:42	#6
Sofonisba Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Guild: The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]	There is no reason to discourage the creation of guilds. It???s so individual. If these people in tiny guilds couldn???t be in tiny guilds, do you think they would seek out a HUGE guild? No, they???d probably end up solitary players. That doesn???t help with the other part of your argument, which is ??? you???re having a hard time filling your roster for GvG? Maybe I misunderstand.

Apr 10, 2007, 05:00 PM // 17:00	#7
Star Gazer Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Zerohour Enterprises [ZHE] Profession: W/	no, i think a guild should stay the same cost. however, i do think that you need to contact ANet, submit an application, and answer a questionaire about the game. This would eliminate people coming from pre-sear saying OMGZIKENCRE8MY0WNGULLD!

Apr 10, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09	#8
Well99 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Nix Guild (NG) Profession: N/E	Why should you contact anet?I have a 1 man guild and I dont spam anyone because it will stay a 1 man guild.I have storage in my GH and I am a happy little camper. As far as spamming news flash big guilds do the same.Or play invite tag.I get invites from guilds I havent even talk to.A reason I bought a guild.Now no one bothers me. Consider this everyone doesnt GVG or want to.I have left guilds because some yutt told me to get my a@@ to the GH to GVG.I am strickly PVE and others are the same.Not having GVG in no way hurts playability of the game.

Apr 11, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26	#9
Red Stromhawk Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canada,Quebec Guild: Warriors Of The Llama Profession: D/Me	First off, I have no problem with PvsE, second, I don't have a problem filling my roster, third, the reason I am sticking with the 20P guild invite (Wavering the cost of invites as well) is not to kill out the PvsE guilds (even the one person ones) or the super tiny ones (Not my objective ether). I can understand the invites to guilds, people randomly inviting you into the guild. It's a sided issue. I see your points, of leavening how things are. But I just don't see a point of even a one man guild. I have ran GW for the longest time without a guild, not wanting one, doing only PvsE stuff. But I'v talked to alot of people who quick the game, and it was always the same, they were bored of the PvsE stuff and when they tried to find a guild, it was always small 5-10 man guilds that wanted to do GvsG,but couldn't. And to get that big took them 2-4 months. Now, that could be my view points, maybe I am abit extremist because it seems I have upset some people by mistake. Savvy?

Apr 11, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23	#10
Sofonisba Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Guild: The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]	Well, I don't see the point of fff'ing all day long and not having time to play the actual game... but am I going to say, we need to stop these fff'ing guilds? LOL of course not. I'm still not clear on what your issue is. People want to join a guild to do GvG, but the only ones who invite them, are too small to do it? They just need to find the right one, which takes patience in any case, no matter what you're looking for in a guild.

Apr 11, 2007, 08:41 PM // 20:41	#11
Mohnzh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Might find me roaming around doing missions in hard mode...or maybe I'm lost in the Underworld... Guild: [KCOR] Profession: Mo/	I don't see the problem with a small guild. And even if there were, upping the guild creation cost would not cut down on spamming or selling invites in the least. It would stay exactly the same, possibly increase because now everyone can afford to invite. I don't see how it affects playability, unless you are in a small guild and don't want to be. In that case, quit the guild and find a bigger guild (which you can do here at GwG or through the chat channels). I big time understand the appeal of being in a 1-man guild. While I was guildless I kept getting spammed with PMs by ppl I had never met inviting me into their guild. If I wanted to sell stuff in a busy district, a lot of my time was spent rejecting guild nvites and trying to explain myself to the ppl inviting. It would be pointless to add everyone to my ignore list, because I may want to sell somthing to them later. So, 1-man guilds are very appealing to the strictly PvE player. If you are not in a 5-man guild, 5-man guilds cannot affect you (unless you are guildless and getting spammed by one). I honestly think I see larger guilds spamming the chat more often than smaller. It's been a while since I've seen the "New guild, first six to accept invites are officers!" spam. Now it's all "X Guild X recruiting! one gubizjillion Kurzick Faction! LF Kurz farmorz! 2 billion faction transfer minimum daily req! PM for invite!" But even that's no biggy. The name of the game is Guild Wars. Don't expect to play without guilds being at the forefront of the chat. If someone were only to see LA they might mistake the game for Merchant Shouting Deathmatch. I don't spam or encourage spamming for any reason. It's tacky and annoying to 95% of the populace. But if something is going to be spammed, guild info is the only thing remotely acceptable.

Apr 11, 2007, 09:12 PM // 21:12	#12
Blow Up Doll Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Oxford - England Profession: R/	Look at 90% of the top GvG guilds and they are all very small compared to what you seem to be proposing. Ok... they have more than 5 players but usually no more than 10 or 15. My guild is 6 people atm. We are friends who play together. We don't spam recruitment messages because we don't want other people to join. We know everyone else in the guild and are all good players both in PvE and PvP. You're not going to ever stop spamming. Just turn off local. Don't blame another problem on small guilds.

Apr 12, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05	#13
Alex Morningstar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Team Asshat [Hat] leader - [GR] Alliance Profession: Mo/	Having a guild cost 20k just means that richer people will have 5 man guilds. Everyone else will probably either do without or just farm longer to get it. Changing the price tag wont do a whole lot for a problem unrelated to the economy.

Apr 12, 2007, 02:48 PM // 14:48	#14
Cats Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Singapore Guild: Charter Vanguard Profession: E/Mo	The real problem here is spamming, and noobish guild leaders/officers who haven't a clue how to grow, structure and properly organize a guild. All they really want is the honor of being called 'the boss', picking out the hall/cape etc and telling people what to do. Minus all that, do we really get affected by how many members there are in a guild? No, not at all.

Apr 12, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14	#15
Div I like yumy food! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Where I can eat yumy food Guild: Dead Alley [dR] Profession: Mo/R	The 5 man guild is actually a much better guild in general than your typical 70-90 man guild. Most 5 man guilds consist of close friends that know each other really well, compared to the typical large guild that the officers just invite, and most of the people don't spend time getting to know each other. Sure, one might say the large guild is more "stable" because the guild never really disbands, but if you look at one of those guilds, you see about 10 new invites a week and 10 people who get kicked or leave a week as well. Much larger fluctuation, and is in fact less "stable" in terms of member base.

Apr 12, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07	#16
Age Hall Hero Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Canada/BC Guild: STG Administrator Profession: Mo/	I would be all for this as it would stop other who recruit to go out and form thier own guild.I recriut players and they stay for awhile and then they leave to form their own guild.This really annoys me when this happens and i say the price to form a guild should be more thant what it is now.I would point out to those who just want to get online and play say together as friends/family or whatever you are thee is always a thing called the Friends List use that. We out here are trying to form an organized guild as to what they are meant to be not just to get together for a few hours a a night ot play GW.Guilds are really about putting a team together much like a sports team.That is what I am trying to do and have fun as well as I wouldn't mind getting rated or ranked.I would be all for this up the price use your friends list if you want to stay in touch with a few buddies in RL or you meet in game.

Apr 13, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56	#19
EternalTempest Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: United States Guild: Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM] Profession: E/	Guild are a "social" group formed for different reasons. A group of friends A group aligned to specific goals (farming, gvg, faction town control) A group to be completive in a pvp style Agree with Sofonisba & Grubcat - a pve or non-gvg guild is not going to help or hinder you if they don't do gvg in the 1st place.